As a neighbor said as he watched these magnificent old hardwoods brought down by chainsaws, "A lifetime to grow, an hour to die."

Read why here.

Goodbye trees, Goodbye historic Hidden Falls

WPA project from 1936, and what else? For a bicycle tunnel? See below-


What the City was looking for in Hidden Falls-Crosby Farm River Study 1970

Letter from Paul S. Fjare, Bauer and Assoc. to City of St. Paul, Dept of Parks and Rec and Buildings(!)

"Too often a municipality fails to recognize its natural assets before space, time and money run out. The people of St. Paul should consider themselves fortunate that there still remains and area near the heart of downtown, relatively untouched by aggressive development.

The Hidden Falls-Crosby Farm area is a unique combination of topography, vegetation, water and geology...

With a program and design that respects the sites' natural amenities, this area will benefit the Twin Cities now and for future generations."

Too bad their current minions failed to heed them, even though the 2018 group gave it a good shot, see below.

Hidden Falls Regional Park: Natural Resource Management Plan

©2018 by Great River Greening
251 Starkey Street, Suite 2200
St. Paul, MN 55107


1. Where possible, ameliorate areas of headward ravine erosion via stormwater runoff
that promote undercutting and collapsing of limestone cliffs.
2. Actively discourage off-trail use by visitors and their pets, such as by blocking access
to closed travel routes and posting signs. Several off-trail areas that attract human traffic
are small sandstone exposures on the bluffs that are becoming badly eroded and growing
in size. Comments about specific eroded exposures are given in preliminary report on
bluff slope erosion given earlier in this report.
Mature Cottonwood – Silver Maple Forest
This community consists of areas of mature, even-aged continuous-canopied floodplain forest dominated by large, tall cottonwoods that form a supercanopy over other trees.

A few of the cottonwoods are enormous, open-grown trees with huge trunk diameters and broad, widely spreading crowns. These few trees are progenitors of most of the cottonwoods in the park. They are surprisingly young, however: one that fell down in late summer 2004 was approximately 4 feet in diameter but had only 80 - 90 growth rings. Most of the other large cottonwoods are younger and straight-trunked, indicating that they grew up together in a stand.

p. 42

(Comment: 'They're gone now, and ain't coming back, Ryan's earth movers done took them away." apologies to John Prine)

Tell the City what YOU think

"The St Paul Planning Commission will hold a public hearing on proposed amendments to Open Space Lot Specific Standards" in both the Master Plan and zoning text.

After you review what is being proposed, please send your comments via email to or by mailing to St. Paul Planning Commission,

25 W. 4th St., Suite 1400, St. Paul, MN 55102.

In your comments you can respond to the proposed resolution attached or simply state that the City needs to abide by existing zoning requirements established in the original Master Plan.

Oral testimony can be given during the 8:30 am meeting Friday, 7/23, via telephone or Microsoft Teams meeting listed here:
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Members of the public may monitor this meeting remotely by phone:
(651) 315-7905 code: 978215817#


If the resolution passes on 7/23, this will be open space, even though completely within the building!

So, how do you define "open space?"

Here is the City's resolution:

City planning staff propose the following amendments to the Master Plan and the Ford Site zoning ordinances to clarify confusion resulting from "Open Space" discussion.

1. Remove the term “Open Space” from the Master Plan as it pertains to privately owned development parcels and lots and remove the definition of Green Roof Areas as Open Space.

2. Add the definition for “lot coverage” from the Zoning Code to Master Plan Chapter 5 entitled “Building and Lot Terminology.”

3. Amend the Master Plan’s current incentive language for Green Roofs in Chapter 4: Zoning - Districts and General Standards

From Attachment A (scroll down to end of report) to the current revision of the City's Ford Site Master Plan. Shouldn't 'open space' just be the lot space where the building isn't?

Resolution: pages 1-3
FAR definition: page 7
FAR min/max: pages 8-9

Scroll through the rest of the document to find red- lined exclusions.

“Building Scale - Buildings shall be scaled to utilize the developable opportunities of the lot, within the minimum and maximum Floor Area Ratio standards for the district. It is expected that as the proportion of lot space used for landscaping, parking, services, or amenities goes up, the height of the building will increase to create an overall sense of massing consistent with the urban, neighborhood context.” (Master Plan, pg. 67)

"Approximately half of the luxury-condo units that have come onto the market in the past five years are still unsold."

But we are Minnesotans. Developers here would not lead us into a similar situation... or would they? Read the article, notice how many ads in local media are offering free quarter years of rent, notice how many things here in our beloved Twin Cities are remarkably like NYC.

NLSP remains committed to promoting responsible community development that enhances the existing neighborhood and the City overall. we need your financial support to ensure that we have the resources to help fund this effort, the pending petition, and future legal action. Please consider making a contribution to support NLSP's Legal Action Fund by clicking HERE.